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Tzvi Kleinerman's avatar

It is the third leg that actually is the greatest obstacle towards reaching an understanding and accommodation at the current time.

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None of this, or the previous article, explains properly why chareidim cannot, not tomorrow, but eventually, enter into a chareidi hesder type system.

Kim Jong Un and Lenin could also write beautiful essays extolling the values of their systems, it doesn't give those systems legitimacy or give your argument "if you know where we are coming from, you wouldn't criticise so harshly and we could all get on a bit better" (reading between the lines, of course, it's all your fault) any sort of validity.

Ultimately torah cannot be used to justify what is essentially an anti-torah approach. Although of course chareidim do that the whole time. For example, when it comes to the mishandling of sex abuse cases in the chareid world by chareidi perpetrators 'the torah requires kosher eidim and there were none in this case" and "da'as torah knows what it is doing". We heard variations of that theme over and over again in the dark days several years ago (with optimism, the position is improving).

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