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Yosef Hirsh's avatar

I broke my substack fast to comment on how excellent and balanced this article is.

Good work!

I think one point worth mentioning is that since Israel is going after all chareidim they get pushback on all fronts....nuance is lost when both sides get tribal.

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Happy's avatar

Great job, I really like this. However, I disagree with the conclusion. It appears in that conclusion, that in your opinion, we really would in principle send 70% of our boys straight to the army, but we refrain from doing so for the sake of the 30% Torasam Um'nasom who will also be drafted if the rules were changed. I don't think this is true, because we wouldn't need to get the government involved to make this change ourselves. We could simply send the bottom 70% to the army without getting the government involved in our selection (obviously, we would make sure that the army accommodates their religious needs). So clearly our Rabbinic leaders don't want to do this. They feel most boys should be in yeshiva, not just the 30%.

As for hilchos shecheinim, I'm not sure at all that we are bound to the rules legislated by a non-Torah government, if they contradict a Torah lifestyle. In this case, it's drafting 18 yr olds instead of having them attend yeshiva. Who says hilchos shecheinim obligates us to agree to this anti-Torah arrangement? If they had more reasonable demands, I'm sure we could work something out. I like pointing out that it used to be normal for post-yeshiva chareidim to get army training. This was true as late as the 90s. But recently, when 4,000 post-yeshiva chareidim signed up, the army rejected them because of "health issues". It's obvious that there is no genuine desire for a reasonable arrangement.

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