I very much appreciate this as someone who did serve in the army. I don't agree with the haredi ideology obviously but I am also disgusted by the hatred toward haredim by supposedly religious zionists.
We believe that going to the army is part of the Torah. Therefore, haredim who don't go to the army are not completely fulfilling the Torah. But the secular aren't fulfilling the Torah at all! Without the Torah, we have no claim to the land of Israel! Without Torah, we have no protection at all. Rav Teichtal explains this all at length. Rather than complaining about how haredim don't fulfill their fair share of army service, we should discuss about how the secular, the majority of the country, are far behind on their Torah observance, which is our true source of protection.
Unfortunately, there are many powerful Slifkinesque parties in the media whose goal it is to stir up resentment, which is blown up out of all proportion. Any chareidi who comes into contact with Israel chilonim knows the line "if all the charedim were like you......" - their idea of a chareidi is how the media (and Slifkiin) portrays them and they get a shock when they meet the real macoy.
I am, and have been for many years, in daily contact with chilonim who do know chareidim - and they all without exception treat me with great respect and affection. And even while they don't understand why chareidim don't serve in the army, they realise it is for ideological reasons (which they disagree with!) - but not for all the nasty, selfish reasons that Slifkin and his ilk portrary
You are conscripted to the Army ,not a volunteer army. You are obligated to perform the מצווה. Not to do so is to be מבטל an עשה. Also you are violating אל תעמוד על דם רעך. This is an obligation on everyone required to go.
You are conscripted to the Army ,not a volunteer army. You are obligated to perform the מצווה. Not to do so is to be מבטל an עשה. Also you are violating אל תעמוד על דם רעך. This is an obligation on everyone required to go.
So we'll put! The analogy is perfect. So, let's consider a kollel man who failed to exhibit the gratitude you illustrated. Let's say his myopic attitude caused resentment in his wife. What who his Rav or therapist tell him about her lashings out? Would he be advised to return tit-for-tat? Or would he be encouraged to listen beyond her words and anger, to hear her pain, and practice empathy? Is that what is called for in the shalom bais in society?
I very much appreciate this as someone who did serve in the army. I don't agree with the haredi ideology obviously but I am also disgusted by the hatred toward haredim by supposedly religious zionists.
We believe that going to the army is part of the Torah. Therefore, haredim who don't go to the army are not completely fulfilling the Torah. But the secular aren't fulfilling the Torah at all! Without the Torah, we have no claim to the land of Israel! Without Torah, we have no protection at all. Rav Teichtal explains this all at length. Rather than complaining about how haredim don't fulfill their fair share of army service, we should discuss about how the secular, the majority of the country, are far behind on their Torah observance, which is our true source of protection.
Unfortunately, there are many powerful Slifkinesque parties in the media whose goal it is to stir up resentment, which is blown up out of all proportion. Any chareidi who comes into contact with Israel chilonim knows the line "if all the charedim were like you......" - their idea of a chareidi is how the media (and Slifkiin) portrays them and they get a shock when they meet the real macoy.
I am, and have been for many years, in daily contact with chilonim who do know chareidim - and they all without exception treat me with great respect and affection. And even while they don't understand why chareidim don't serve in the army, they realise it is for ideological reasons (which they disagree with!) - but not for all the nasty, selfish reasons that Slifkin and his ilk portrary
If this was the attitude on the Israeli charedi street there wouldnt be a fraction as much resentment.
Sweet post.
You are conscripted to the Army ,not a volunteer army. You are obligated to perform the מצווה. Not to do so is to be מבטל an עשה. Also you are violating אל תעמוד על דם רעך. This is an obligation on everyone required to go.
You are conscripted to the Army ,not a volunteer army. You are obligated to perform the מצווה. Not to do so is to be מבטל an עשה. Also you are violating אל תעמוד על דם רעך. This is an obligation on everyone required to go.
Where in this point do you discuss 'charedie achdus'?
Hakoros hatov* is not achdus, and achdus is not hakoras hatov. Words mean things.
*L'shitoseich, that there is genuine 'hakoras hatov'.
A bit too much info imo
So we'll put! The analogy is perfect. So, let's consider a kollel man who failed to exhibit the gratitude you illustrated. Let's say his myopic attitude caused resentment in his wife. What who his Rav or therapist tell him about her lashings out? Would he be advised to return tit-for-tat? Or would he be encouraged to listen beyond her words and anger, to hear her pain, and practice empathy? Is that what is called for in the shalom bais in society?