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Natan Slifkin

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1) You may think that you are presenting the standard charedi/yeshivish viewpoint, but I spent many years in that world and you are wrong. They would not say that Rashi was plain wrong here.

2) I'm not sure if you realize this, but Rashi could just have checked, the same way as Ramban did. But he didn't, because (due to his cultural worldview) he did not realize the value of empirical investigation. Don't you think that malachim with a supernatural grasp of reality and a level of wisdom that we cannot even being to fathom would realize that?"

1. You cannot trust *anything* that Natan says about the yeshivish/chareidi community, especially anything with nuance. He is a kofer, and flat-out makes up stuff all the time. And I mean *all* the time, even when he doesn't need to to prove a point.

2. Again, a stupid statement that makes no sense. Rashi could have just gone out and captured hawks and dissected them? Does he even think for a split second before he writes something? About his ignorant contention that people didn't value empirical evidence in those times, see the beginning of my post here: https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/torah-chazal-geonim-rishonim-acharonim

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Very nice, you're good at this stuff! I've added in the past (see this thread, for example: https://rationalistjudaism2.substack.com/p/angels/comment/18659563) that we've made progress specifically and exclusively in the study of the physical. Nothing in the main things have we made any progress whatsoever. We know nothing about the mind, language and the origin of life, and I mean nothing at all, and by golly, these are the 'spiritual' elements of the world.

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Edit - see also this super-long comment towards the end - https://daastorah.substack.com/p/read-the-torah/comment/16381674

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