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Rational Traditionalist's avatar

Incredible stuff.

I would humbly add the Rashi toward the end of second perek in Succah, on the Gemara that describes the massive scope of R' Yochanan ben Zakai's knowledge. One of the things mentioned there are 'dikdukei sofrim' which Rsahi explains along the lines of having the knowledge of human nature that the sages did which they used to evaluate when to make gezeiros and takanos.

I would also add the gemara in first perek of kesubos where an amora held some kind of empirical test to see if the woman was a besulah, but first tested it out on two maidservants one who was known to be a besulah and one who wasn't. The gemara specifically asks why he bothered - ai, he heard from his rebbe that such a test works, and answers that yeah but you still gotta make sure you're doing it right.

Chazak v'amatz.

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The questions of Science vs Torah are funny in a way because it is sort of like asking a question on a presentation before the presentation is over. I do not claim to posses full knowledge of what the Torah is saying, nor do I claim to posses full knowledge of the actual physical reality. So, how can I ask a question from one to the other? Has scientific inquiry concluded? Has our knowledge of Torah reached perfection? If the answer to either of those two questions is no (which any rational person would admit to) then the pomposity behind the Science vs Torah discussion is gravely misplaced. Take women breastfeeding and its relationship to menstruations for example. The Gemara in Nidda was brought above that made the claim דם נעכר ונעשה חלב. What exactly does this mean? That ruined blood turns into milk? Outside of making a wild guess not in line with their observations of old milk, how would Chazal know the relationship between Mensturations and Nursing outside of the observed result that women do not bleed as often while nursing? I would venture to guess that this Gemara did not make sense to a whole lot of people outside of Chazal. But, lo and behold, along comes science close to 2000 years later and discovers the hormone Prolactin which is responsible for both Period bleeding and, you guessed it, production of Mommy Milk. To quote the Australian Gov Health Website (Not real name) "If you are breastfeeding your baby, your periods may not return for several months after childbirth. This is because the hormone that causes you to make milk, prolactin, also stops you from ovulating and having your period. If you are breastfeeding day and night, it can be up to a year before your period returns" https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/breastfeeding-and-periods.

Is this perhaps what Chazal meant? Maybe yes, and maybe no. See, the story is not over yet. I still am not sure what Chazal meant, nor the ultimate physical reality of how a woman's body works. When the story is finally over, and all the facts are in front of us, I have no doubt we will be able to work out all the contradictions. The likes of Reb Chaim of Brisk, Reb Elchonon Wasserman and countless of others managed to reconcile far more difficult questions and contradictions, I am sure they are more than up to the task on this one. But until then. let us let the presenter of facts, Hashem, finish his presentation to mankind.

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