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Shmuel's avatar

I would tend to group Orthodox Jews into 2 broad categories. Many chareidim fit into one of these categories, and many MO (but not all by a long shot) fit into the other.

1. Jews who put up with their Judaism.

2. Jews who embrace their Judaism.

Jews who put up with their Judaism, do exactly that, they put up with it. It is something that they have to do, but they don't do it enthusiastically. They do it because they have to, and they do it with a frown (metaphorical) on their face. Since they put up with it, they naturally do only the bare minimum. They will seek to cut corners when they can. They will seek exemptions when they can find them. These people will blur the boundaries of what is permitted and what is forbidden. They will certainly not put in the effort to learn more about the Laws and the Torah that they put up with. They seek to get their Judaism over and done with so they can get on with what they consider their 'real' lives, their job, their career, their education, or having a fun time. When push comes to shove, and their Judaism gets in the way of one of the above, these people face a difficult challenge. Some will do what Judaism demands, albeit apologetically and not at all wholeheartedly. Some will simply do what they find meaning in, and let their Judaism slowly slip away. Others will attempt to find some middle ground, and try to do both. They will find creative ways to 're-interpret' things to fit their own ideals, or they will give themselves the license to allow what is forbidden. They will give themselves the credentials to argue with whomever they need to, all in order to justify their non compliance.

Jews who embrace their Judaism can't get enough of it. This is their life. Nothing else takes precedence over Torah Judaism. They will teach their children from a very young age the supreme value of Torah and Mitzvos, and how nothing else in the world can compare. They are not satisfied with the bare minimum, and when it comes to Judaism and its laws, they can never get enough. The more the better! A job, career, education, 'having a good time' all come secondary to Torah Judaism. These people have the utmost respect for the great Torah sages, and it is the Torah leaders that they seek guidance from.

By and large, the MO fall into the first category, and the chareidim into the 2nd category. I say 'by and large' because there are many many in betweens. I personally know people who would never identify themselves as chareid, but practically speaking, they live their lives very similar to the chareidim. They spend tears learning Torah, they seek guidance from Rabonim, and they are scrupulous with their observance of the MItzvot. I personally know many people who identify as chareidi, but practically, they live their lives like an MO. Their Torah knowledge is scanty. They constantly seek ways to get out of things, and sometimes blur the line between the permitted and the forbidden.

I have also observed, that those in the first category, regardless of what label they apply to themselves, often have children who are less observant than they are. If this continues, in the span of a few generations, their children will be totally non-observant. People in the second category, also regardless of the label they place on themselves, have families that are strongly committed to the Torah and its ideals.

The truth is, many people have some of both attitudes. Many people who are MO do some things whole heartedly and with enthusiasm (the Pesach Seder comes to mind here). Many people who are chareidi sometimes do things because they fee; forced and are not excited about it. In general, these are the 2 categories of Observant Jews that I have noticed.

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Padre Rodriguez's avatar

There is one defining feature of MO that differentiates them from Charedim.

Charedim ascribe extrinsic importance to secular knowledge and the MO ascribe intrinsic importance to secular knowledge. and the secular world.

Everything is a product of this difference.

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