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Happy's avatar

Yes, not just Devarim, but the theory that the Cohanim forged Vayikra/document P. The Torah is obviously not a natural product of the time of Yoshiyahu, or Ezra. The entire idea is historical revisionism and conspiracy theories all the way down.

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Shimshon's avatar

And people keep telling me there's not a conspiracy theory I wouldn't believe. I don't believe this one.

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Shaul Shapira's avatar

The people telling you that are all part of a larger, grander, unified conspiracy to get you to disbelieve this theory as a way to justify your belief in all the others.

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Shimshon's avatar

This is irrelevant for two reasons.

1. No one is telling me anything. We can see too far Shaul. It is YOU that is fixated on the conspiratorial implications. I just want to see far.

2. Mainstream academia, which rationalists ascribe to, embrace a conspiracy without any evidence whatsoever. They don't call it that, of course, but that's exactly what it is. And I am grateful to Happy for spelling it out. It makes all the fixations and criticisms directed towards others and the copious evidence that exists so much projection.

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Why don't you provide ChatGPT versions of what you said?

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Eli's avatar

The most ancient known scroll of Isaiah, that of the Dead Sea scrolls, is complete. According to the theory, this is uncomfortably close to the time the second part was written and it was already together as one scroll. But no one has bothered to rethink the theory.

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Some ober chacham (aka idiot) tried claiming from the אבן עזרא on the pasuk נחמו נחמו עמי that he concurs with this approach since he raises the idea that ישעיהו mentions Cyrus even though it was after his time, and ends off והמשכיל יבין. I guess he understood the word maskil differently.

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That's no big deal to say that neviim achronim edited the text or added a chapter, even if this is not the common understanding. But the Bible Critics claim that there were 2 Yeshayas and the sefer is a mixture of the 2. Thats like saying there were 2 Samuels. The reason of the אבן עזרא is that it sounds like he was talking like Cyrus is a live person, but not that he can't make a prediction of the future.

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