In 1992, Lawrence Kaplan wrote an article called “Daas Torah: A Modern Conception of Rabbinic Authority". In it, he makes a whole to do about when the term "Daas Torah" first appeared, and includes a halachic analysis if the Gedolim have the same status as the Bes Din Hagadol. There is no need to guess what his conclusions are.
But these are all side points which distract from the overall issue.
The bottom line is that #1- the Torah contains instructions and hashkafos- meaning there is definitely a Daas of the Torah on all sorts of different matters, and #2- those who understand the Torah better are more qualified to determine what that Daas is. The secularist rejection of these two principles explains why they reject the concept of Daas Torah.
Very nice breakdown, anonymous fellow, shkoyach! And thank you again for helping keep klal ysroel safe!
I have a different way of explaining, not to contradict yours, that without the guidance of the Torah, many people will see certain concepts and since they seem right, assume them to be the foundation of truth and the only thing that matters. For example, the idea of compassion towards another human being is really important, and no one would or should ever deny that. But if compassion is all there is, you can find yourself in some really weird and twisted places, like being anti-Israel, "pro-choice" and so on. You'll definitely be anti the idea of stoning people who willingly violate Shabbos.
The Torah teaches when to apply all the different concepts, and more importantly, when *not* to apply them. The Torah provides a framework larger than ourselves which we can learn from constantly about what *really* is best for mankind as a whole and/or every individual personally.
Those who deny the importance of learning values from the Torah will always have other values in their place (such as bashing chareidim, just saying) because their daas never appreciated Hashem's larger view of what's important. (I'm not saying there isn't anything wrong with he chareidi culture, but, as we always say, the chareidi value system is where it's at...)
Hi, where do chazal directly tell us that all of future insights from Talmidei Chachamim was revealed to Moshe at Har Sinai? Not questioning it, just would like a source for a discussion.
"The polar opposite of that is one who sets out to impose his own agenda, ideas and values that he derived from other sources, upon God's revelation. Such a person corrupts the Torah and destroys any possibility of being in relationship with God. As such, he is completely rejected from God's eternity."
Can you give us an example? I'm not sure what you are saying here
It's well known that the DL (even the Chardali version) do not hold of 'da'as torah' in the way understood by charedim. It's a little odd that your friend should pen such an article. Odd indeed.
The meforshim already deal with the question, that is good advice shouldn't require 'permission'. I believe Rav Moshe Shapiro answers that in this particular case, because moshe was a novi hashem when delivering the halochoh, special permission was needed from Hashem to adopt Yisro's approach. In any event, it's a little obvious when setting up a system of dayonim to administer mishpot, there are halochos that need to be kept, and this is why Moshe went to Hashem.
In 1992, Lawrence Kaplan wrote an article called “Daas Torah: A Modern Conception of Rabbinic Authority". In it, he makes a whole to do about when the term "Daas Torah" first appeared, and includes a halachic analysis if the Gedolim have the same status as the Bes Din Hagadol. There is no need to guess what his conclusions are.
But these are all side points which distract from the overall issue.
The bottom line is that #1- the Torah contains instructions and hashkafos- meaning there is definitely a Daas of the Torah on all sorts of different matters, and #2- those who understand the Torah better are more qualified to determine what that Daas is. The secularist rejection of these two principles explains why they reject the concept of Daas Torah.
Very nice breakdown, anonymous fellow, shkoyach! And thank you again for helping keep klal ysroel safe!
I have a different way of explaining, not to contradict yours, that without the guidance of the Torah, many people will see certain concepts and since they seem right, assume them to be the foundation of truth and the only thing that matters. For example, the idea of compassion towards another human being is really important, and no one would or should ever deny that. But if compassion is all there is, you can find yourself in some really weird and twisted places, like being anti-Israel, "pro-choice" and so on. You'll definitely be anti the idea of stoning people who willingly violate Shabbos.
The Torah teaches when to apply all the different concepts, and more importantly, when *not* to apply them. The Torah provides a framework larger than ourselves which we can learn from constantly about what *really* is best for mankind as a whole and/or every individual personally.
Those who deny the importance of learning values from the Torah will always have other values in their place (such as bashing chareidim, just saying) because their daas never appreciated Hashem's larger view of what's important. (I'm not saying there isn't anything wrong with he chareidi culture, but, as we always say, the chareidi value system is where it's at...)
The article itself, about da'as torah, offers no definition of 'da'as torah'. Quite typical really.
Does the author include in 'da'as torah' that Rabbonim are able to opine on the Covid (or any) vaccine? Yes or no?
PS - Moshe checked with Hashem, not with da'as torah. Details matter.
Hi, where do chazal directly tell us that all of future insights from Talmidei Chachamim was revealed to Moshe at Har Sinai? Not questioning it, just would like a source for a discussion.
BH all the best and Shavua Tov
"The polar opposite of that is one who sets out to impose his own agenda, ideas and values that he derived from other sources, upon God's revelation. Such a person corrupts the Torah and destroys any possibility of being in relationship with God. As such, he is completely rejected from God's eternity."
Can you give us an example? I'm not sure what you are saying here
It's well known that the DL (even the Chardali version) do not hold of 'da'as torah' in the way understood by charedim. It's a little odd that your friend should pen such an article. Odd indeed.
The meforshim already deal with the question, that is good advice shouldn't require 'permission'. I believe Rav Moshe Shapiro answers that in this particular case, because moshe was a novi hashem when delivering the halochoh, special permission was needed from Hashem to adopt Yisro's approach. In any event, it's a little obvious when setting up a system of dayonim to administer mishpot, there are halochos that need to be kept, and this is why Moshe went to Hashem.