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Stuart Alass's avatar

Very interesting.

However, I would make a reservation on two of your points:

1. "The State has provided a safe haven for millions of Jews since the end of World War II "

Do not forget that it was the settling in Eretz Yisrael by irreligious Jews, who antagonized the religious Muslim Arab native inhabitants and, later on, in particular, the establishment of the State , which generated the arguably unprecedented outbreak of hatred against those Jews in Arab countries who had previously enjoyed a comparatively peaceful coexistence and tolerance.

It may be wondered whether the number of Jewish casualties of anti-Israel aggression -(https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israeli-casualties-in-battle-1860-present )

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

does not add up to more than there would have been without Zionism.

2. "ended up becoming the biggest material Torah supporters in a thousand years. "

As someone with first hand knowledge of the huge, huge amount of money which flows into the country constantly to support Torah by generous Orthodox Jews in the diaspora, the contribution to Torah institutions by the Israeli government is miniscule! It is a mere fraction of the amounts invested in secular institutions, whether "educational" institutions, sport, "culture", etc. - and even that is only after being squeezed out of it by Haredi politicians, who are in a constant uphill battle for their constituents to receive at least something approaching the amounts that their secular brothers receive. And even then it is given with bad grace, and accompanied by vicious slander.

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"they have also done a great deal of good on the material plane, which in turn has led to incredible and unparalleled flourishing of the Torah in the form of Talmud Torahs, yeshivos, shuls, kollel families and essential non-spiritual institutions, such as the military, roads, homebuilding, electricity, and hospitals."

This argument may be partially true, but it is like saying that it is only thanks to the superior Israeli armed forces that Israel won such a dazzling victory in the Six Day War!

That is certainly true, but, ahem, perhaps there was a deeper, spiritual reason......?

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A yid's avatar

Wow! I thought rationalist Judaism was the one with the kefira!

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