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דוד™️'s avatar

the gist of your post is spot on, but I disagree about some of the details. I think an outsider does have the ability to point out weaknesses that are harder to see from inside. There IMHO is no question that perpetuating that hishtadlus isn't actually what makes the bucks will deter living a rationalist life. Most of us have brains and can appreciate that if we aren't on the madreiga we must live in this scientific world, but religious communities are actually more lax in areas of hishtadlus. It's a weakness we can be proud of since it comes from a good palace, but it is still a weakness which isn't necessarily appropriate.

I guess what I'm saying is that I actually agree with NS on the things he points out - I thought that post you referenced (https://rationalistjudaism.blogspot.com/2021/05/foxholes-and-fatalists.html) was well put and well written for the most part, although his conclusion is anti-Torah (we embrace our ideology and hold of it wholeheartedly) but I don't disagree with him. I do agree that he doesn't get our position all the time and conflates things and contradicts himself as your main point was, but i still agree with a lot of what he points out. You seem to like none of it.

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Isha Yiras Hashem's avatar

I often enjoy your posts, but this one didn't quite hit the "pleasant and kind" mark.

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