יפה מאד לשמוע שאנשים שלא חונכו על ברכי התורה פוקחים עינים קצת.
אבל זה תובע מכולנו לעזוב את הקנאה והשנאה המטופשת ולהדליק אור עבורם.
אכן, על האברכים להשאר על עמדם צמוד לספריהם למלאות את העולם כולו אורה של תורה. אבל אלו שיכולים לעשות משהו בנידון, כגון אילי ההון השולחים כסף עבור שטיות כגון בובות עבור ילדי הפליטים, למה אינם נכנסים לענין בראשם וברובם, להתחיל שיעורים בשכונות חילוניות, לחזק את הבתי ספר הדתיים, לשלוח אנשים הרוצים להתעסק עם אנשים כאלה וחסר להם המשאבים? למה אנחנו נרדמים? למה אין אנחנו קופצים על ההזדמנות?
"On a regular basis I risk my life, and my son does likewise, to protect the Jewish people. We do so because we honestly believe that there is something special about the Jewish people, that they are God's people and the agents of the revelation of God's will in the world. We are not patriots in the sense that a Ukrainian or a Russian would be a patriot, we do not value our nation above all others out of a blind sense of tribalism."
Very very powerful. May Hashem protect us spiritually and physically.
I think it's relavant to the important post of our friend in the IDF.
Also, a very important קונטרס was published last week, based on שיעורים של הצדיק הנשגב הרב דוד יהודה טורנר שליט"א on related topics (short summary: השי"ת wants us to stop relaying on אומות העולם, only on השי"ת)
ככל שיכתבו טורים על האשמה של אחרים, נפנה את עינינו ודעתינו מהחיובים המוטלים עלינו
ממילא החרדים, הרי מאמינים הם בהתבצרות והתרחקות מהרחוב. אבל אלו הציונים הדתיים, המאמינים בחיים החברתיים ומשתלבים בה, ולא פוחדים מהרוע שבדבר, נו נו. אבל למה לא משתמשים עם התועלת שבדבר? למה לא שומעים על המון שיעורים חדשים שאנשי הדת"ל התחילו באיזורים החילוניים? למה רואים תמונות של מדות מושחתות בעיר העתיקה ביום ירושלים, ולא רואים תמונות של שיעורים חדשים, פעילות לקירוב לבבות לאבינו שבשמים, והתעוררות רבתית?
נכון. אני אישית הצטרפתי לפרוייקט שמלמדים לילדים חילונים להכין לבר מצווה. לומדים את הקריאה ודברים בסיסים ביהדות. המיזמים האלו מתרבים ב"ה. שמעתי שהיו 500 מנינים ציבוריים שהקימו בשביל חילונים ביום כיפור אני לומד בבר אילן שיש בו לא מאט חוזרים בתשובה שהם ד"ל.
Here's what happened to the 4000 Charedim who volunteered immediately after Simchas Torah. It is clear the army doesn't want them. For two reasons. One, accomodating them properly in even modest numbers means making the army in general much more kosher; and two, because they would likely be a significant influence for the good on their fellow Jews who are distant from Torah. This will not do (in their eyes). Copied From Israel Realtime:
SPECIAL REPORT - ON RECRUITING CHAREDIM
Following the massacre of Oct. 7, it was widely reported thousands of younger charedim RAN to the IDF enlistment station and VOLUNTEERED to be recruited into the IDF.
2 months ago the Knesset's Research and Information Center published recruitment rates by population groups - and it happens to include what happened to those 4,000 charedim who tried to join the IDF…
3,120 of the 4,000 ultra-Orthodox youth were found "unfit", mostly due to medical reasons. Has the army stopped recruiting low-profile soldiers for combat support units, for intelligence, training, computers and command?
And that's not even the worst.
Out of the 880 ultra-Orthodox youth who were found eligible, only 540 were recruited. That is, out of the 4,000 ultra-Orthodox youth who asked to enlist, the IDF recruited only 13.5%, and even among the 800 ultra-Orthodox determined to be fit for service, only 61% were recruited.
These numbers strengthen the claims that the army is not prepared to recruit mass ultra-Orthodox and actually does not want to.
(( Could this be changed - yes. But currently the IDF for the most part literally doesn’t want them. ))
He is as disingenuous as he is wrong. He cites Rabbi Karmi Gross and a long defunct charedi hesder yeshiva as proof. It might technically not be defunct, but he is no longer affiliated with it, and it is no longer what it was. My understanding is that it doesn't cater to charedim the way it used to.
I know of the rav and his yeshiva, because I had a friend whose son participated for a time (before leaving and enlisting directly in Tomer Givati, the charedi unit in Givati; since disbanded; do you notice a pattern here?), and my own son who applied.
My son's experience was instructive. He was told by Rav Gross directly to first attend a regular yeshiva to brush up on his learning skills, which were weak (and Derech Chaim had a reputation for a very high level of scholarship). He also told us that our son might decide he loves learning and decide to make Torah his occupation, which he eventually did (B"H!), and is now one the leading talmidim in his yeshiva.
Unlike Slifkin, I have firsthand knowledge of and experience with the rav. Slifkin at best is wrong. One single charedi hesder yeshiva, that feeds solely into a high-tech Unit 8200-style army track, even were it still a viable option, does not negate that the army does not want and cannot absorb thousands of charedim of varying IQs and abilities enlisting in a variety of army units.
Retard Eli Turkel comments there, retardedly, "Why can't these charedim with a lower profile be cooks, drivers or many other tasks needed by the army"
Duh. Of course they could. No one denies that. Even still, they volunteered and were DENIED that opportunity, because the IDF disqualified them! And the retards still bray as if the report never happened.
And note, Slifkin doesn't deny the thrust of the report, even while expressing skepticism. He still flails about attempting to justify his war on Torah as if it were genuine.
Further, we know he frequents IM, so when he says, "Various people were triumphantly crowing about a report by the Knesset’s Research and Information center at the behest of a Likud MK." He means IM. This report is obviously not well-publicized. Which mainstream media have reported? Which blogs?
WHILE ARGUING OVER CHAREDI CONSCRIPTION.. IDF Human Resources allows retirement of head of IDF rabbinate and kosher services without a replacement. With an increasing number of soldiers demanding kosher, and much more as part of reserve duty, HR is reducing the ability of the IDF rabbinate to take care of them. (Israel HaYom)
If only these factual and relevant reports would make a difference to snakes like Slifkin and others who keep crying about and slandering charedim. They should, but they won't, because they are fueled by hate and think rhetorically, not logically.
No religious Jew should serve in the IDF at all. If the DL were to refuse as vociferously as the charedim, the IDF would cease to function. It's unlikely to happen, because they too think emotionally, not logically.
Hashem wins our battles. Military prowess is false. Before cheit ha'egel, Hashem's plan was for us to walk into Israel without firing a shot. Having to take up arms and fight is a serious degradation and should be shameful to us. We can strive for returning to that level even today. If only the DL understood this.
We are now post-chet ha'egel, and we need an army. In the US, there is the US army, in the UK, there is the UK army. In Israel, the only option is the IDF. The Lomdei Torah still need to stay away, but demanding that we rely on non-natural methods of preventing the murderers from hurting us is not Torah'dig and dangerous.
Those of us who are not serving, and live in Israel, should use the current situation to upgrade their ruchniyus. That will certainly help. But that does not negate the need for a regular army.
Duly noted, and a reasonable point, but not because that's what the goyim do.
However, our mesorah also says at the keitz our backs will be up against a proverbial wall, and we will come to realize that no amount hishtadlus will help. The army will not be able to do anything, even if the government or it doesn't dissolve.
And I still maintain that the DL should strike. The army has openly declared war on Torah with this recent measure.
I didn't mean we should copy the Goyim. I meant that the army we have is not a spiritual army, like Shlomo Hamelech had. It is a gashmiyusdige idea, like a lock on the door, a helmet when riding a bike, and a yearly check-up at the doctors'.
The Torah does say that about the Ketz, but we cannot use that as a reason to do anything different.
To the rationally minded, halacha is equated with hashkafa.
I spoke of striving to be something we were clearly intended to be.
As far what our soldiers do, first, it's their choice.
Second, regardless of uplifting and inspiring events, by deed the IDF has decided to make many targets available to our enemies (and don't forget what's going on in the north). They won't even let them connect more strongly with our mesorah and do everything they can to distant them from it, via whatever means at their disposal. They won't change until their bluff (ultimately it is, as long as it is voluntarily abided by) is called.
You really want the idf to cease to function? There is a basic principle of אין סומכין על הנס. When we make halacha or policy decisions we dont take supernatural hashgacha into account, even though we believe in it. Even if their policy sucks the IDF is the only army we have.
Like most people, you are projecting. Where did I say "want"?
If only the IDF was run according to halacha. It is not. Au contraire it is at war with halacha and Torah and that war takes precedence over the war with Hamas. Their actions belie their statements.
I don't know. Maybe the Knesset's Research and Information Center has a web site where you can get the report. I doubt it has to do with age. I was supposed to draft into Shlav Bet in the 90s in my late 20s. I had a 97 medical profile, the highest number you can get.
I think what it means is the army was being particularly meticulous in knocking their profiles down as low as possible, in ways they don't do for standard draftees. Because they never really wanted them. Where there's a disqualifying will, there's a medical way.
It's from the Israel Realtime Updates Telegram channel (posting time June 6, 2024@ 10:22 am). They basically regurgitate the official government line (with a bit of editorializing, as you can see). You can connect to the channel and contact them for the source. I understand that the government line is unreliable at best, and outright lies at worst, but they are pretty faithful in reporting it accurately.
I thought Slifkin and his sycophants were bad before the latest reports about disposition of charedi volunteers and the disbandment of kashrut and rabbanut teams in the IDF.
They have gone off the rails insane since. They might best the Red Queen's claim to believe six impossible things before breakfast! It's hard to keep all their lies and contradictions straight.
There is a "they", and they they mean to destroy us. That is becoming increasingly clear.
For all we know, Hashem killed Raisi, president of Iran, for the sake of a single Jew, Arvin Nathaniel Ghahremani, who faced imminent and certain execution. His uncannily timely demise stayed that indefinitely. How much more so when it's His people facing national destruction?
The sadly pathetic thing is that rationalists by and large would attribute the paragraph above to the deranged ravings of a lunatic. "It's a coincidence. There's a perfectly rational explanation for his death. He was stupid for flying in such conditions. It was bound to happen. Just dumb luck. We have to do our hishtadlus (as we rationally define it) and so do our brothers, who we mean no harm to (as they bare their fangs)."
BE"H our boys will reject the rationalist zeitgeist that dominates everything today, and come to the realization that they are being sent into pointless battles to perish and react accordingly. That whatever imperfections and blemishes exists, charedim as a group are not trying to evade anything. That learning Torah doesn't just supersede the battle. In reality, it fights the battle for us.
For them in particular. DL might successfully straddle two systems now (some do, some don't). How about the next generation, given the current trajectory?
יפה מאד לשמוע שאנשים שלא חונכו על ברכי התורה פוקחים עינים קצת.
אבל זה תובע מכולנו לעזוב את הקנאה והשנאה המטופשת ולהדליק אור עבורם.
אכן, על האברכים להשאר על עמדם צמוד לספריהם למלאות את העולם כולו אורה של תורה. אבל אלו שיכולים לעשות משהו בנידון, כגון אילי ההון השולחים כסף עבור שטיות כגון בובות עבור ילדי הפליטים, למה אינם נכנסים לענין בראשם וברובם, להתחיל שיעורים בשכונות חילוניות, לחזק את הבתי ספר הדתיים, לשלוח אנשים הרוצים להתעסק עם אנשים כאלה וחסר להם המשאבים? למה אנחנו נרדמים? למה אין אנחנו קופצים על ההזדמנות?
"On a regular basis I risk my life, and my son does likewise, to protect the Jewish people. We do so because we honestly believe that there is something special about the Jewish people, that they are God's people and the agents of the revelation of God's will in the world. We are not patriots in the sense that a Ukrainian or a Russian would be a patriot, we do not value our nation above all others out of a blind sense of tribalism."
Very very powerful. May Hashem protect us spiritually and physically.
https://www.inn.co.il/news/639645
I think it's relavant to the important post of our friend in the IDF.
Also, a very important קונטרס was published last week, based on שיעורים של הצדיק הנשגב הרב דוד יהודה טורנר שליט"א on related topics (short summary: השי"ת wants us to stop relaying on אומות העולם, only on השי"ת)
אין שום תועלת במוסר אלא במה שנוגע לתיקון המעשים
ככל שיכתבו טורים על האשמה של אחרים, נפנה את עינינו ודעתינו מהחיובים המוטלים עלינו
ממילא החרדים, הרי מאמינים הם בהתבצרות והתרחקות מהרחוב. אבל אלו הציונים הדתיים, המאמינים בחיים החברתיים ומשתלבים בה, ולא פוחדים מהרוע שבדבר, נו נו. אבל למה לא משתמשים עם התועלת שבדבר? למה לא שומעים על המון שיעורים חדשים שאנשי הדת"ל התחילו באיזורים החילוניים? למה רואים תמונות של מדות מושחתות בעיר העתיקה ביום ירושלים, ולא רואים תמונות של שיעורים חדשים, פעילות לקירוב לבבות לאבינו שבשמים, והתעוררות רבתית?
בתל אביב יש הרבה פעילות קירוב, בעיקר מישיבת מעלה אליהו.
נעים לשמוע
הלוואי עוד
בצפון תל אביב הוקם גרעין תורני לפני כמה שנים
יש ישיבה נוספת (מעבר למעלה אליהו) בלב תל-אביב
ויש את ארגון ראש יהודי בתל-אביה
ויש מוסד שנקרא המקום
ויש ב"ה עוד
זה פשוט עבודה של אחד אחד
הישיבה הזאת לא ברמת השרון? או אתה מדבר על אורות שאול?
אורות שאול זה בדרום ת"א, ויש שם ישיבה נוספת שנקראת עוז ואמונה
אני דברתי על הישיבה בתל-אביב של הרב ניר מס
ויש גם בשכונת נחלת יצחק עוד ישיבה ותיקה, של הרב מיכה הלוי
נכון. אני אישית הצטרפתי לפרוייקט שמלמדים לילדים חילונים להכין לבר מצווה. לומדים את הקריאה ודברים בסיסים ביהדות. המיזמים האלו מתרבים ב"ה. שמעתי שהיו 500 מנינים ציבוריים שהקימו בשביל חילונים ביום כיפור אני לומד בבר אילן שיש בו לא מאט חוזרים בתשובה שהם ד"ל.
A great and sobering article. It doesn't help that Netanyahu knows that winning means the end of his career. We need leadership not democracy.
It means the end of many careers. None of them want the war to end. Some have other more nefarious motives for wanting it to continue.
Here's what happened to the 4000 Charedim who volunteered immediately after Simchas Torah. It is clear the army doesn't want them. For two reasons. One, accomodating them properly in even modest numbers means making the army in general much more kosher; and two, because they would likely be a significant influence for the good on their fellow Jews who are distant from Torah. This will not do (in their eyes). Copied From Israel Realtime:
SPECIAL REPORT - ON RECRUITING CHAREDIM
Following the massacre of Oct. 7, it was widely reported thousands of younger charedim RAN to the IDF enlistment station and VOLUNTEERED to be recruited into the IDF.
2 months ago the Knesset's Research and Information Center published recruitment rates by population groups - and it happens to include what happened to those 4,000 charedim who tried to join the IDF…
3,120 of the 4,000 ultra-Orthodox youth were found "unfit", mostly due to medical reasons. Has the army stopped recruiting low-profile soldiers for combat support units, for intelligence, training, computers and command?
And that's not even the worst.
Out of the 880 ultra-Orthodox youth who were found eligible, only 540 were recruited. That is, out of the 4,000 ultra-Orthodox youth who asked to enlist, the IDF recruited only 13.5%, and even among the 800 ultra-Orthodox determined to be fit for service, only 61% were recruited.
These numbers strengthen the claims that the army is not prepared to recruit mass ultra-Orthodox and actually does not want to.
(( Could this be changed - yes. But currently the IDF for the most part literally doesn’t want them. ))
Via @ramonhaim - Haim Ramon
This is an important point. Does "medical reasons" mean "being above the age of 25"?
As if on cue, the rationalist opines.
https://www.rationalistjudaism.com/p/the-idf-doesnt-want-charedim
He is as disingenuous as he is wrong. He cites Rabbi Karmi Gross and a long defunct charedi hesder yeshiva as proof. It might technically not be defunct, but he is no longer affiliated with it, and it is no longer what it was. My understanding is that it doesn't cater to charedim the way it used to.
I know of the rav and his yeshiva, because I had a friend whose son participated for a time (before leaving and enlisting directly in Tomer Givati, the charedi unit in Givati; since disbanded; do you notice a pattern here?), and my own son who applied.
My son's experience was instructive. He was told by Rav Gross directly to first attend a regular yeshiva to brush up on his learning skills, which were weak (and Derech Chaim had a reputation for a very high level of scholarship). He also told us that our son might decide he loves learning and decide to make Torah his occupation, which he eventually did (B"H!), and is now one the leading talmidim in his yeshiva.
Unlike Slifkin, I have firsthand knowledge of and experience with the rav. Slifkin at best is wrong. One single charedi hesder yeshiva, that feeds solely into a high-tech Unit 8200-style army track, even were it still a viable option, does not negate that the army does not want and cannot absorb thousands of charedim of varying IQs and abilities enlisting in a variety of army units.
Retard Eli Turkel comments there, retardedly, "Why can't these charedim with a lower profile be cooks, drivers or many other tasks needed by the army"
Duh. Of course they could. No one denies that. Even still, they volunteered and were DENIED that opportunity, because the IDF disqualified them! And the retards still bray as if the report never happened.
And note, Slifkin doesn't deny the thrust of the report, even while expressing skepticism. He still flails about attempting to justify his war on Torah as if it were genuine.
Look how he squirms and twists himself into knots to deny the obvious. It's pitiful.
Further, we know he frequents IM, so when he says, "Various people were triumphantly crowing about a report by the Knesset’s Research and Information center at the behest of a Likud MK." He means IM. This report is obviously not well-publicized. Which mainstream media have reported? Which blogs?
Hi Natan! You're a snake.
Also from the same channel later yesterday:
WHILE ARGUING OVER CHAREDI CONSCRIPTION.. IDF Human Resources allows retirement of head of IDF rabbinate and kosher services without a replacement. With an increasing number of soldiers demanding kosher, and much more as part of reserve duty, HR is reducing the ability of the IDF rabbinate to take care of them. (Israel HaYom)
If only these factual and relevant reports would make a difference to snakes like Slifkin and others who keep crying about and slandering charedim. They should, but they won't, because they are fueled by hate and think rhetorically, not logically.
No religious Jew should serve in the IDF at all. If the DL were to refuse as vociferously as the charedim, the IDF would cease to function. It's unlikely to happen, because they too think emotionally, not logically.
Hashem wins our battles. Military prowess is false. Before cheit ha'egel, Hashem's plan was for us to walk into Israel without firing a shot. Having to take up arms and fight is a serious degradation and should be shameful to us. We can strive for returning to that level even today. If only the DL understood this.
Sorry, but you lose the argument that way.
We are now post-chet ha'egel, and we need an army. In the US, there is the US army, in the UK, there is the UK army. In Israel, the only option is the IDF. The Lomdei Torah still need to stay away, but demanding that we rely on non-natural methods of preventing the murderers from hurting us is not Torah'dig and dangerous.
Those of us who are not serving, and live in Israel, should use the current situation to upgrade their ruchniyus. That will certainly help. But that does not negate the need for a regular army.
Duly noted, and a reasonable point, but not because that's what the goyim do.
However, our mesorah also says at the keitz our backs will be up against a proverbial wall, and we will come to realize that no amount hishtadlus will help. The army will not be able to do anything, even if the government or it doesn't dissolve.
And I still maintain that the DL should strike. The army has openly declared war on Torah with this recent measure.
I didn't mean we should copy the Goyim. I meant that the army we have is not a spiritual army, like Shlomo Hamelech had. It is a gashmiyusdige idea, like a lock on the door, a helmet when riding a bike, and a yearly check-up at the doctors'.
The Torah does say that about the Ketz, but we cannot use that as a reason to do anything different.
The Torah also says, after all the sins of the midbar, that all men are to assemble for the shalosh regalim and none will covet our land.
Anyway, I don't think we are really arguing. How we define hishtadlus is different than how rationalists do.
Fool. This drivel is nowwhere to be seen in halacha.
To the rationally minded, halacha is equated with hashkafa.
I spoke of striving to be something we were clearly intended to be.
As far what our soldiers do, first, it's their choice.
Second, regardless of uplifting and inspiring events, by deed the IDF has decided to make many targets available to our enemies (and don't forget what's going on in the north). They won't even let them connect more strongly with our mesorah and do everything they can to distant them from it, via whatever means at their disposal. They won't change until their bluff (ultimately it is, as long as it is voluntarily abided by) is called.
You really want the idf to cease to function? There is a basic principle of אין סומכין על הנס. When we make halacha or policy decisions we dont take supernatural hashgacha into account, even though we believe in it. Even if their policy sucks the IDF is the only army we have.
This last comment was me.
Like most people, you are projecting. Where did I say "want"?
If only the IDF was run according to halacha. It is not. Au contraire it is at war with halacha and Torah and that war takes precedence over the war with Hamas. Their actions belie their statements.
I don't know. Maybe the Knesset's Research and Information Center has a web site where you can get the report. I doubt it has to do with age. I was supposed to draft into Shlav Bet in the 90s in my late 20s. I had a 97 medical profile, the highest number you can get.
I think what it means is the army was being particularly meticulous in knocking their profiles down as low as possible, in ways they don't do for standard draftees. Because they never really wanted them. Where there's a disqualifying will, there's a medical way.
Do you have link for this article? I tried googling it, just got this https://x.com/thewebbie/status/1798652178623553841
The link is at the bottom:
https://t.me/Israel_Realtime_Updates
It's from the Israel Realtime Updates Telegram channel (posting time June 6, 2024@ 10:22 am). They basically regurgitate the official government line (with a bit of editorializing, as you can see). You can connect to the channel and contact them for the source. I understand that the government line is unreliable at best, and outright lies at worst, but they are pretty faithful in reporting it accurately.
I thought Slifkin and his sycophants were bad before the latest reports about disposition of charedi volunteers and the disbandment of kashrut and rabbanut teams in the IDF.
They have gone off the rails insane since. They might best the Red Queen's claim to believe six impossible things before breakfast! It's hard to keep all their lies and contradictions straight.
Pretty depressing.
Or auspicious.
There is a "they", and they they mean to destroy us. That is becoming increasingly clear.
For all we know, Hashem killed Raisi, president of Iran, for the sake of a single Jew, Arvin Nathaniel Ghahremani, who faced imminent and certain execution. His uncannily timely demise stayed that indefinitely. How much more so when it's His people facing national destruction?
The sadly pathetic thing is that rationalists by and large would attribute the paragraph above to the deranged ravings of a lunatic. "It's a coincidence. There's a perfectly rational explanation for his death. He was stupid for flying in such conditions. It was bound to happen. Just dumb luck. We have to do our hishtadlus (as we rationally define it) and so do our brothers, who we mean no harm to (as they bare their fangs)."
BE"H our boys will reject the rationalist zeitgeist that dominates everything today, and come to the realization that they are being sent into pointless battles to perish and react accordingly. That whatever imperfections and blemishes exists, charedim as a group are not trying to evade anything. That learning Torah doesn't just supersede the battle. In reality, it fights the battle for us.
For them in particular. DL might successfully straddle two systems now (some do, some don't). How about the next generation, given the current trajectory?
To deny יד ה' in the death of Raisi ימש"ו is to be willfully blind.
Or a rationalist.