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Yosef Hirsh's avatar

Torah True Jews is not a very trustworthy site.

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Happy's avatar

You're kidding, right?

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Yosef Hirsh's avatar

If you trust the author of the empty wagon...

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Ash's avatar

Are you?

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Happy's avatar

You realize that this post was a parody of the RJ post linkeid therein, right? Gee, so many people taking this seriously!

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Ash's avatar

There's no RJ post linked therein. Unless I missed it!?

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Ash's avatar

Nope. Not at all. Poe's Law.

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Happy's avatar

Oh, sorry. I meant I linked to a comment on that post.

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Ash's avatar

If your point is that R Sholom Gold is an unreliable narrator, I don't think that's true. I knew him personally. Very big baal shita, but not a liar.

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Ash's avatar

I would not Trust Torah True Jews in the slightest. It is run by Yaakov Shapiro of The Empty Wagon fame. There are stories on there proven to be false (the infamous kook shook story) which he still insists on printing.

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Happy's avatar

Well, that's shocking

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זכרון דברים's avatar

I don't know what proof others have for that story, but the story makes no sense on the face of it.

1. The Chafetz Chaim has thousands of stories to his name. There is a common theme, and none of them include vulgar language.

2. The one person who has a story with a vulgar comment about the Chafetz Chaim is a person whose mouth was known to be quite free. What does that tell you?

3. The fish in Radin was wrapped with a newspaper that quotes Rav Kook's opinion?! Why would Israeli newspapers, before the days of email, be circulated in a backwater village like Radin?

4. Why was the Chafetz Chaim reading the scraps that wrapped his fish? Did he, at his age and stage, go to the market himself to buy fish?

5. Would the Chafetz Chaim make a decision about a person based on a newspaper article? Was he not wise enough to know how statements are distorted and skewed in newspapers, as well as simply made up?

6. If the Chafetz Chaim truly decided that Rav Kook was analogous to a male anatomic appendage based on statements he allegedly made about playing ball on Shabbos, then the pesak ends up the other way around. We know, without a shadow of doubt, that Rav Kook never allowed ball playing on Shabbos. The Chafetz Chaim's decision was based on a mistake, if indeed he made such a decision.

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Sep 26, 2023
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זכרון דברים's avatar

The story, as I heard it, was that a package of fish was wrapped in a newspaper that reported something about Rav Kook and playing soccer on Shabbos.

Did you learn in YU, Zichron Moshe in the Bronx, or South Fallsburg?

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Don Coyote's avatar

AFAIK, there was no vulgarity, as the word he used rhymes with Kook, and the vulgar word doesn't. It would be like America Shmamerica.

The web has information about this topic in general.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22Kook+shmook%22#ip=1

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Happy's avatar

Sure, that's all important context. But doesn't excuse the 👿👿👿👿CENSORSHIPP👿👿👿!!!!!!!

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Joyous's avatar

You are on board with censorship? Fantastic! Me too! 💪💪💪https://irrationalistmodoxism.substack.com/p/censorship-in-the-modern-orthodox

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Isha Yiras Hashem's avatar

Apparently this is the frum version of embarrassing racist great grandparents. Anyway, very funny piece.

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