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Natan Slifkin

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There is no parallel anywhere for a first-world society that raises as many children as possible to be incapable of supporting themselves. It goes against all biological imperative and all sense. And there is every reason to believe that it will end in disaster, bar some enormous change brought on by political pressure."

This is a silly comment. "First world society" is a totally arbitrary meaningless term. Plenty of societies, composed of billions of people raise children with just as much ability to support themselves as Chareidim. Chareidim never asked for a "first world" anti-religious society, if they were faced with the choice of secularist assimilation or moving to a non-first-world country like Chile, they would obviously choose the latter.

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"I thought the whole idea of Zionism is that Israel is the only place Jews can really be safe and prosper, and we owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the secular Zionists for making that possible, right? But all of the sudden, for the purposes of doom-mongering, the entire Land of Israel and State of Israel is just totally unnecessary, and all these successful Zionists will have no problem just going elsewhere? Oh well, there goes that. That just shows you how sincere the secular Zionists really are."

I think this is a very important point. There's so many layers of irony involved in the current situation. Someone should write an updated version of Herzl's work. They could title it 'Der Judenshtetl.'

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