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Why thank you. That's from the finest compliments I've ever received!

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Some additional notes on Shapiro’s article

“For example [Meiri] describes the idolatrous nations, those not ‘restricted by the ways of religion’ as violent people ‘who are possessed of no religion in the world and do not yield to fear of a Divinity and, instead, burn incense to the heavenly bodies and worship idols, paying no head to sin.”[6] Elsewhere he states, concerning the idolaters of old: ‘They were not restricted to the ways of religion, every sin and everything repulsive was fit in their eyes[7].’”

Just looked up these citations and wow.

Here’s page 39: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40778&st=&pgnum=48&hilite=

Here’s page 59: https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=40778&st=&pgnum=68&hilite=

Just to give an example here’s what the Meiri says in the relevant paragraph Shapiro’s quoting from in the latter:

As for the gentiles and Jewish sheperds of small domesticated animals - whose flocks regularly engage in theft and [the sheperds of which] are engaged in it up to the point that they cast the yoke of Torah off themselves (except it’s not for the sake of the casting off [itself] but rather for monetary gain) - in any place where damage comes from them were are not commanded to strive to save them. Likewise with the gentiles you must analyze it based on what we’ve previously explained. About what gentile did they say this? One must say it was said regarding the idolaters who were not restricted in the ways of religion and, quite to the contrary [of being so disciplined], every sin and abomination was amazing in their eyes. The philosopher (Aristotle) said, “kill he who has no religion.” Anyhow, anyone who worships God even if he is not part of the religion is not included in this rule, God forbid. You already know well how with regards to a resident stranger (that is, one who takes the seven laws upon himself) that we are commanded to sustain him.

Literally no part of this paragraph is about the theological issue of idolatry or why it’s bad. (It might be relevant to who certain halachos apply to but that’s not the topic.)

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