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Yosef Hirsh's avatar

Love it!

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Zundel Eysheshoker's avatar

Here is a numbered list of claims made by Charles, with the answers. (Spelling mistakes are his)

1. The mysoginy may shock you;

Yes, we are not embarrassed that we did not allow the outside society to confuse our understanding of gender roles. Being nasty to people, whatever their gender, is wrong. But misogyny is not a pejorative on its own.

2. the actual oppression,

Sure, people have basements where they hold humans as prisoners. Sometimes, they cut off random body parts to roast and eat. With barbecue sauce.

3. the sexualization of children who are told what specific body parts will burn in gehinom if they don’t comply with the extra halachic community norms of modesty.

No clue what this means. There is a story like this printed in the Kav Hayashar, but that is from hundreds of years ago.

4. This is a traumatized society, traumatized by the Holocaust and retrauntized by an unskillful reaction.

Lakewood isn't a holocaust infused society. Lakewood is not Williamsburg, but it takes actual knowledge to know that. This 'reaction' you speak of is also just some figment of your imagination.

5. Learning is rote not creative as it was in pre war Europe . This is the closing of the Jewish mind . A lot of the heart is still there but it’s possible to be deeply immersed and observant without tying yourself to what is not a religion of sect but a social formation and an ill social formation.

This rote learning is another unicorn. Children and bochurim are taught to try to understand everything, and the idea of rote learning is laughable.

6. Magical beliefs and magical thinking are the rule ; superstition of the sort your great grandparents would have rejected with two fists.

Magical beliefs like what? That men can become women by fiat? Or that making rich people richer will make poor people richer too? Because there are no more magical beliefs in Lakewood than anywhere else in America. But our great-grandparents, besides the few who were learned, believed in far more nonsensical magical beliefs.

7. Conformance ,

Sure. Unlike the outside world where everybody has to graduate high school, go to college, get married and live in the suburbs, play ball with their children on Sundays, and retire to cruises and then the Jewish owned apple sauce lifestyle. Two Jews three opinions is no more active anywhere else than in Lakewood..

8. obedience to authority

What authority? The only authority is the Torah. Nobody else has authority in Lakewood, which may actually not be a good thing.

9. and above all money are the ideas of this society’s ruling class

Sure. Unlike everywhere else, where being poor has no bearing on a person's social status.

Basically לית דידע לישנא בישא כטשארלס.

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